Yes, I have frequently given thought to what lack of privacy does -
but, then again, I've been a guilty "Windsor watcher" for years, now.
I know that I could never do a show like that - my answer to so many
things is always "None of your business!"

Oh - and, in the digital age, some photos can't be burned :-)

It's only going to get worse - "Octobitch" is getting a show, now.
And I suspect she pretty much had that in mind when she started
the whole thing.

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Re "Windsor watcher", there's a far cry from bring royality and having to deal with the press and voluntarily inviting cameras into your house.

Octomom needs to go away too. I'd argue that she's not fit mentally or financially to raise 8 kids but social services isn't much better either.

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Octomom had 6 kids before her octuplets. So she has 14 kids now, which I guess is why her show will trump the others. (And, yes, that was sarcasm.)

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Uh, no - I wasn't comparing myself to them, but to the priers.

& I agree with you in spades about the cow.

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Right, sorry about not being clear. I meant that there people will always have a certain facination with other people, esp. those that are radically different from them - royal, parents with multiples, celebrities, freaks, etc. Royals and other people in power have always lead somewhat public lives starting out with town criers, troubadors who wrote specific songs about them, and now the press.

I think a one-shot or a mini-series about a family with multiples can be a good thing. It can encourage other families with multiples and be a cute little show. But 5 seasons of it? That's going way too far. And the really sad thing is people are watching it. They might not be paying attention to their own families but they'll tune in and watch someone else's.

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I will occasionally watch bits of Jon and Kate or the Duggars just to see how easy we have it with just the one. But regular viewing of such a show? It just seems unseemly.

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I have avoided details of whatever is going on with them.

I figure in the beginning it was probably a creative and very tempting way to raise 8 kids. But if they were making 70K an episode, I think they probably could have quit after a year or two and had what they needed, monetarily.

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I think they didn't start getting $70K until after a few seasons when the show became a hit but yeah, a year or two and I'm sure they would have been fine.

The Duggars now have a show too. Make it stop!!

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Oh yes, I did happen to catch the Creepiest Engagement Evar. Missed the wedding, though.

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Was that on the Duggar's show? Ick!

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Yep. Oldest boy got engaged to some girl. They apparently didn't kiss until the wedding. They just held hands and she looked up at him with the CREEPIEST simpering expression all the time. He proposed in what I think was a diner, and after her happy acceptance of the proposal he gave her a side-hug.

It was WEIRD.

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Oh, *twitch*. I saw a show on the "virginity balls" thing and it showed a couple that was like that. Just think of how creepy/scary the wedding night must be.

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I heard about that--my classroom-neighbor watches all sorts of scary documentaries (lately she's been going on about Jesus Camp) and told me about it. I thought they were father-daughter things, though?

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Yep. And girls as young as *5*, FIVE, are going to these things. I don't want 5 year-olds having the slightest clue what sex is, let alone the whole virginity and sex before marriage thing.

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They are trying to indoctrinate the girls as soon as they can.

To be fair, I think the Father-daughter Balls are also to
imprint on the girls what gentlemanly behavior is, and to
"empower" them to demand it from their boyfriends.

OTOH, I know of people who have not kissed before marriage
- or in public - and they have had long, happy marriages.
They also ,however, would not be exposing themselves on TV.

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Well, "normal" father-daughter balls are about that but the ones in that were shown on the show were all about girls "submitting" to their fathers. These girls aren't going to be demanding anything from anyone.

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Ew!

I should have guessed it wasn't the same thing....!

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Yeah, here's a quotation about it:

Writer and feminist Eve Ensler criticizes purity balls for what she sees as the position of inferiority it puts the daughters in:

"When you sign a pledge to your father to preserve your virginity, your sexuality is basically being taken away from you until you sign yet another contract, a marital one...It makes you feel like you’re the least important person in the whole equation. It makes you feel invisible."

And again, girls as young as *five* are going to these balls and a lot of the girls are pre-teens. Plus there are no "purity balls" or the equivallent for guys.

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Amen.

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A-men. Preach it sister!

Please let's go back to finding the money to pay writers.

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